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 A draw would take both Arsenal and Porto through by Rupe
on 22/11/06 at 00:29
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Arseweb's match report will follow, but first the maths (it's quicker to write)...

Tonight's results:

Arsenal 3 - 1 Hamburg
CSKA    0 - 2 Porto
Take us top of the group on 10 pts, level with Porto and 2 pts ahead of CSKA (see Champs League page for table and full results etc).

This means that...

if we beat Porto in the final game...
we will go through as group winners and CSKA can go through at Porto's expense if they beat Hamburg.
if we lose to Porto...
if CSKA beat Hamburg we will go out (and into the UEFA cup as 3rd place in the group)...
otherwise we go through in second place (Porto win the group)
if we draw with Porto...
we go through as group winners. This is because
1) we beat Porto on the head-to-head (which comes into play if CSKA don't beat Hamburg)
2) if CSKA do beat Hamburg, all 3 teams would be on 11 points, and Arsenal win the mini-league
And that last one's worth looking at in more detail. Here's the mini-league as it stands...
       Pld W D L F A Pts
CSKA    4  1 2 1 1 2  5
Arsenal 3  1 1 1 2 1  4
Porto   3  1 1 1 2 2  4
(Note that CSKA's mini-league is finished)

The Arsenal-Porto draw would take us both to 5 points, without changing the goal differences.

So, a draw in that game takes both teams through. Which can only be a good thing. Porto would prefer to win and top the group, of course, but if it's tied near the end (and CSKA are ahead) neither team may want to risk going out.

For competition regulations, see UEFA's pdf file (rule 4.05 explains what happens when teams are level on points).

While we're at it, congratulations to Celtic whose win over Man Utd tonight takes them through to the group stage and leaves United needing a point from their last game, at home to Benfica.

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